Prewrath? or Posttrib?
PREWRATH? OR POSTTRIB? Scripture and History Reveal The Truth:
Regarding the discussion of prewrath versus posttrib, while I love my prewrath brethren, Scripture says that we will be here for the full 42 months of the Great Tribulation:
Daniel 7:25- “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and THEY SHALL BE GIVEN INTO HIS HAND UNTIL A TIME AND TIMES AND THE DIVIDING OF TIME.”
Revelation 13:5-7: “And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY AND TWO MONTHS. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”
Furthermore, the Lord never described anyone other than His angels returning with Him from Heaven at His second coming:
Matthew 16:27- “For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his ANGELS; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
Matthew 25:31- “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the HOLY ANGELS with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:”
Mark 8:38- “Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the HOLY ANGELS.”
Luke 9:26- “For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the HOLY ANGELS.”
Neither did Paul:
2 Thessalonians 1:7- “And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from HEAVEN with his mighty ANGELS,”
Furthermore, Peter was clear that the Lord will remain in Heaven “until the restitution of all things”:
Acts 3:20-21: “And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
When is that? At the END of the 70th week:
Daniel 9:24- “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”
Clement of Rome (40-100): “…the Scripture also bears witness, saying, ‘Speedily will He come, and will not tarry’; and, ‘The Lord shall suddenly come [Matthew 24:30 coming] to His Temple, even the Holy One, for whom ye look'” (I Clement, 23).
Justin, Dialog with Trypho, CX: “TWO advents of Christ have been announced: the one, in which He is set forth as suffering, inglorious, dishonored, and crucified; but the other, in which He shall come from heaven with glory,when the man of apostasy, who speaks strange things against the Most High, shall venture to do unlawful deeds on the earth against us the Christians,…”
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, XXV, 3: “‘And its ten horns are ten kings which shall arise; and after them shall arise another, who shall surpass in evil deeds all that were before him, and shall overthrow three kings; and he shall speak words against the most high God, and wear out the saints of the most high God, and shall purpose to change times and laws; and [everything] shall be given into his hand until a time of times and a half time,’ that is, FOR THREE YEARS AND SIX MONTHS, during which time, when he comes, he shall reign over the earth. Of whom also the Apostle Paul again, speaking in the second [Epistle] to the Thessalonians, and at the same time proclaiming the cause of his advent, thus says: ‘And then shall the wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus shall slay with the spirit of His mouth, and destroy by the presence of His coming.'”
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, XXV, 4: “And then he points out the time that his tyranny shall last, during which the saints shall be put to flight, they who offer a pure sacrifice unto God: ‘And in the midst of the week,’ he says, ‘the sacrifice and the libation shall be taken away, and the abomination of desolation [shall be brought] into the temple: even unto the consummation of the time shall the desolation be complete.’ Now THREE YEARS AND SIX MONTHS constitute the half-week.”
Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book V, XXX, 4: “But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he will reign for THREE YEARS AND SIX MONTHS, and sit in the temple at Jerusalem; and THEN the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that “many coming from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
Tertullian, On the Resurrection of the Flesh, XXV: “In the Revelation of John, again, the order of these times is spread out to view, which ‘the souls of the martyrs’ are taught to wait for beneath the altar, whilst they earnestly pray to be avenged and judged: (taught, I say, to wait), in order that the world may first drink to the dregs the plagues that await it out of the VIALS of the angels, and that the city of fornication may receive from the ten kings its deserved doom, AND that the beast Antichrist with his false prophet may wage war on the Church of God; and that, after the casting of the devil into the bottomless pit for a while, the blessed prerogative of the first resurrection may be ordained from the thrones; and then again, after the consignment of him to the fire, that the judgment of the final and universal resurrection may be determined out of the books. Since, then, the Scriptures both indicate the stages of the last times, and concentrate the harvest of the Christian hope in the very end of the world,…”
Hippolytus, Treatise on Christ and Antichrist, 47: “For this is meant by the little horn that grows up. He, being now elated in heart, begins to exalt himself, and to glorify himself as God, persecuting the saints and blaspheming Christ, even as Daniel says, ‘I considered the horn, and, behold, in the horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things; and he opened his mouth to blaspheme God. And that born made war against the saints, and prevailed against them UNTIL THE BEAST WAS SLAIN, and perished, and his body was given to be burned.’
Hippolytus: “Now concerning the tribulation of the persecution which is to fall UPON THE CHURCH from the adversary, John also speaks thus, “And I saw a great and wondrous sign in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, … And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.” That refers to the ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS (the half of the week) during which the tyrant is to reign and persecute the CHURCH….These things then, being come to pass, beloved, and the one week being divided into two parts, and the abomination of desolation being manifested then, and the two prophets and forerunners of the Lord having finished their course, and the whole world finally approaching the consummation, what remains but the coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ from heaven, for whom WE have looked in hope.” (4)
Appendix to the Works of Hippolytus, XXV: “For when Daniel said, ‘I shall make my covenant for one week,’ he indicated seven years; and the one half of the week is for the preaching of the prophets, and for the other half of the week that is to say, for THREE YEARS AND A HALF ANTICHRIST WILL REIGN upon the earth. And after this his kingdom and his glory shall be taken away. Behold, ye who love God, what manner of TRIBULATION there shall rise in those days, such as has not been from the foundation of the world, no, nor ever shall be, except in those days alone. Then the lawless one, being lifted up in heart, will gather together his demons in man’s form, and will abominate those who call him to the kingdom, and will pollute many souls.”
Victorinus, Commentary on the Apocalypse, 20:1- “The little season signifies THREE YEARS AND SIX MONTHS, in which with all his power the devil will avenge himself trader Antichrist AGAINST THE CHURCH.”
Lactantius (240-330): “And power will be given him [Antichrist] to desolate the whole earth FOR FORTY-TWO MONTHS….When these things shall so happen, then the righteous and the followers of truth shall separate themselves from the wicked, and flee into solitudes” (Divine Institutes, VII, 17).
Augustine (354-430): “But he who reads this passage [Daniel 12], EVEN HALF ASLEEP, cannot fail to see that the kingdom of Antichrist shall fiercely, though for a short time, assail the CHURCH before the Last Judgment of God has introduced the eternal reign of saints. For it is patent from the context that the time, times, and half a time, means a year, and two years, and half a year, that is to say, THREE YEARS AND A HALF. Sometimes in Scripture the same thing is indicated by months.” (The City of God, XX, 23).
John Bunyan (1628-1688): “He comes IN FLAMING FIRE [as Judge] and…the trump of God sounds in the air, the dead to hear his voice…” (The Last Four Things: Of Judgment).
Daniel Whitby (1638-1726): “…AFTER THE FALL OF ANTICHRIST, there shall be such a glorious State of the CHURCH…so shall this be the Church of Martyrs, and of those who had not received the Mark of the Beast…” (A Paraphrase and Commentary, p. 696).
Adam Clarke (1762-1832): “We which are alive, and remain…he [Paul] is speaking of the genuine Christians which shall be found ON EARTH when Christ comes TO JUDGMENT” (Commentary, Vol. VI, p. 550).
Henry Alford (1810-1871): “Christ is on His way TO THIS EARTH [I Thessalonians 4:17]…” (The New Testament for English Readers, Vol. II, p. 491).
F. L. Godet (1812-1900): “The gathering of the elect [Matthew24:31]…is mentioned by St. Paul, 1 Thess. 4:16, 17, 2 Thess. 2:1…” (Commentary on Luke, p. 452).
Franz Delitzsch (1813-1890): “…the approaching day is the day of Christ, who comes…for final judgment.” (Commentary on Hebrews, Vol. II, p. 183).
C. J. Ellicott (1819-1905): “[I Thessalonians 4:17] ‘to meet the Lord,’ AS HE IS COMING DOWN TO EARTH…” (Commentary on the Thessalonian Epistles, p. 66).
A. H. Strong (1836-1921): “The FINAL coming of Christ is referred to in: Mat. 24:30…[AND] I Thess.4:16…” (Systematic Theology, p. 567).
Robert Cameron (1845-1922): “The Coming for, and the Coming with, the saints, still persists, although it involves a manifest contradiction, viz., two Second Comings which is an ABSURDITY” (Scriptural Truth About the Lord’s Return, p. 16).
B. B. Warfield (1851-1921): “…He shall come again TO JUDGMENT…to close the dispensation of grace…” (Biblical Doctrines, p. 639).
William E. Biederwolf (1867-1939): “Godet, like most pre-millennial expositors, makes NO provision for any period between the Lord’s coming for His saints and His coming with them…” (The Second Coming Bible, p. 385).
Prewrath has two second comings, no matter how one slices it. “The last day” is said to not really mean the last day. Instead, a day several months before the last day. It ignores Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:5-7 completely. Splicing and dicing those verses instead to mean that we’re gone before the end, and the beast is thinking to change times and laws also after we’re gone; is blaspheming the Lord for an additional period of time after we’re gone, with prewrath offering no apparent reason why he’s left for an additional period of time, when the Lord could have just as easily destroyed the wicked at the time of the “prewrath rapture”.
So while 2 Thess 2:8 describes the son of perdition being destroyed by the brightness of the Lord’s coming, prewrath allows him to live on after the second of THREE apparent advents of the Lord.
Despite the Lord telling us in Revelation 16:15 to “watch” for His coming (after the 6th vial), after the wicked have gathered together against Jerusalem at Armageddon, prewrath ignores it altogether, claiming it’s just a reiteration of an earlier admonition.
Despite Scripture saying that we’re given reward at the Lord’s coming, with Him bringing it WITH Him (Revelation 22:12) and it being after the 7th trump (Revelation 11:18), prewrath instead has the Lord coming at the 6th seal (in a chronological framework), bringing the reward with Him, but withholding it from us until the 7th trump.
Prewrath may sell plenty of books for those eager to come out of pretrib after noticing Matthew 24:29-31 and 2 Thess 2:1-4 for the first time, but it must omit Scripture in order to come to it’s conclusions, and also ignore history.